Boundary Between Abuse and BDSM

Wanna Talk about TUGs with your fellow members? Then you may do so here.
User avatar
jackroper
Forum Contributer
Forum Contributer
Posts: 80
Joined: 6 years ago
Location: Hawaii

Boundary Between Abuse and BDSM

Post by jackroper »

This article is from the May 23, 2018 New York Times on BDSM.

The Boundary Between Abuse and B.D.S.M.

The New York Times

By Valeriya Safronova and Katie Van Syckle

“You want to make sure that you narrate what is going to be happening,” a blond woman in a skintight nurse’s costume said. She had just demonstrated how to safely, and consensually, stick a willing partner with hypodermic needles.

The subject of her class was “medical play” and the crowd was standing-room-only. The event was hosted by the Eulenspiegel Society in Manhattan, which describes itself as the “oldest and largest B.D.S.M. support and education group” in the country.

The “nurse,” Margot, was not acting as a health care professional, though she did offer hygiene tips. She was there, with her role-play partner for the evening, June, to model best practices. (Many of those interviewed for this piece, including Margot and June, did not want to use their full or legal names for fear of stigma.)
“You create a container for the things that are your worst fears, your darkest fantasies, and you create very strong boundaries around that,” Margot said. “Respecting those boundaries is the most important thing.”

Those who practice bondage, dominance, sadism and masochism (B.D.S.M.) have rules for protecting boundaries, safety and consent. But the line between B.D.S.M. and abuse has been in the news after two politicians were accused of abusing their sexual partners.

In a report released in April, a woman accused Gov. Eric Greitens of Missouri of taping her hands to exercise equipment, hitting and shoving her, and touching her without her agreement. The woman also said she thought he had taken a photograph of her without her consent; charges brought on that account were withdrawn last week. “This was a great victory and a long time coming. I've said from the beginning that I am innocent,” Mr. Greitens tweeted. (The charges only addressed invasion of privacy.)

In May, four women told The New Yorker that Eric T. Schneiderman, then the New York attorney general, had assaulted them. Mr. Schneiderman defended himself by claiming he was participating in role play. He also said he wanted to “strongly contest” the claims, but that they would “effectively prevent me from leading the office’s work at this critical time.” He resigned hours after the investigation was published.

These situations bear little resemblance to consensual B.D.S.M. encounters, practitioners say. “There’s no demarcation in these abuse situations,” said Clarisse Thorn, author of “The S&M Feminist.” Of the reported incidents between Mr. Schneiderman and the four women, she said, “What these women are reporting is, ‘He would hit me without warning and he would keep going until he wanted to stop.’”
“There is a difference between abuse and B.D.S.M.,” said Gigi, a spokesperson for the The Eulenspiegel Society. “That difference is consent.”

What Is ‘Safe, Sane and Consensual’?

B.D.S.M. practitioners use the catchphrase “safe, sane and consensual” to summarize best practices for sexual encounters that mix with violence. Extensive conversations, negotiated checklists and safe words are tools for navigating consent.

Setting time constraints is also important, Ms. Thorn said, because most B.D.S.M. enthusiasts are not constantly “on.” She provided an example of how time limits can be established: “We’re going to do a scene right now,” she said, referring to an episode of role play. “We’ll demarcate that with one person wearing a collar and calling the other person ‘sir,’ and we’ll do it this evening and when it’s done, it’s done.”

The key, said Mollena Williams, a self-described submissive and author of “Playing Well With Others,” is to “make a list of things that you absolutely need to have in order to feel safe, in order to feel heard, and then make a list of things that would be great if they happened.”

‘It’s almost like a choose-your-own-adventure.’

Lola Jean, a sex educator and mental health professional, said it is important to tailor each experience to individual preferences and not assume that there is any one-size-fits-all approach to B.D.S.M. “It’s almost like a choose-your-own-adventure,” she said.

Participants have to know — and be able to describe and set — their own limits. “I can take a lot of punching and kicking, but for whatever reason, if you slap my face, I go emotionally to pieces,” said a longtime B.D.S.M. practitioner who goes by the name Ninja Juicer.

“It used to be you had a mentor,” said Cassandra Moon, a Brooklynite who has long identified as a dominant woman. “Someone you go and hang out with and they would play with their partners and you would watch them do so.”

Now, someone interested in B.D.S.M. might also go to a “munch,” a plainclothes gathering where people with different sexual interests meet and mingle. Dungeons provide another space for people to interact and explore their desires. Those spaces have rules and safety monitors, often dressed in bright orange vests, who are on alert for the use of safe words.

“Within the scene, the person receiving always has an out, a safe word,” Ms. Moon said. “If a safe word is used, then you stop everything immediately.”

‘You do not bring a mystery in.’

Safe words don’t work for everyone. Other practices include making checklists in advance and nonverbal gestures, such as a pinch of the knee. Some checklists “have 1 to 5 scales for how into something you are,” Ms. Thorn said. “If your partner is a 5 on being tied up and a 0 on face slapping, you can engage in B.D.S.M. while knowing very granular information about their boundaries.”

Some B.D.S.M. practitioners criticize the use of contracts or apps that codify an agreement. Preferences change, they say, and no one should feel locked into agreements when their boundaries may change over time.
“You shouldn’t bring in something that someone hasn’t discussed with you,” Ms. Moon said. “That’s so important in this thing. You do not bring a mystery in.”

“I went on a date with a vanilla guy, somebody who wasn’t involved in the community, and in the middle of the scene he started choking me,” a B.D.S.M. practitioner who goes by Salty Goodness said. “Luckily I felt safe enough and in a position to just be like, ‘Whoa dude, note that we did not talk about that. That’s not okay.’”

Members of the B.D.S.M. community also warn against partaking in violent sexual activity while drinking alcohol or taking drugs. “If you happen to have two vodka Martinis and you're about to suspend someone, you can cause serious damage,” said a former professional dominatrix, who identified herself as Ms. Smiles. “Same thing if you're using a whip and your eye-hand coordination is being thrown off because you're under the influence.”

‘We just really like to be adventurous with our sexuality.’

Legally, though, people can’t consent to just anything.

“There’s an important body of law that declares it illegal to consent to certain types of physical harm, whether it’s sexual or not,” said Wendy Murphy, a professor of sexual violence law at New England School of Law. “You can’t consent to torture. You cannot consent to serious bodily injury.”

Practically, this means that strangulation, cutting or burning a partner could be prosecuted by law enforcement as assault and battery or aggravated assault — even if the victim consented.

“People who are not interested in kinky sex find it hard to understand, but some of us are just wired to really enjoy extreme sensations, whether it’s emotional or physical or mental challenge,” said Susan Wright, the founder of the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom, an advocacy organization.

June, the woman leading the demonstration at The Eulenspiegel Society’s class, said she enjoyed being poked with needles. “I have an elation, it is an endorphin rush that makes me proud of my body and what it can handle,” she said.

“To understand you have a kink, you’re already ahead of people,” said Ms. Jean, the sex educator. “To act on it and explore it, that’s the most noble thing. There’s no confidence like knowing yourself.”

Interesting!
User avatar
Jason Toddman
Honorary Member
Honorary Member
Posts: 609
Joined: 6 years ago
Location: Portland Maine USA

Post by Jason Toddman »

Interesting article. :geek:
drawscore
Centennial Club
Centennial Club
Posts: 651
Joined: 6 years ago

Post by drawscore »

Simply put, bondage and tie up games must be consensual, and be fun for both or all parties participating. When it ceases being fun, especially for the one being tied, then it becomes abuse.

Drawscore
Last edited by drawscore 6 years ago, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Jason Toddman
Honorary Member
Honorary Member
Posts: 609
Joined: 6 years ago
Location: Portland Maine USA

Post by Jason Toddman »

drawscore wrote: 6 years ago Simply put, bondage and tie up games must be consensual, and be fun for both or all parties participating. When ir ceases being fun, especially for the one being tied, then it becomes abuse.

Drawscore
I'd say that pretty well sums it up for me as well.
drawscore
Centennial Club
Centennial Club
Posts: 651
Joined: 6 years ago

Post by drawscore »

[quote="Jason Toddman" I'd say that pretty well sums it up for me as well.[/quote]

Quick! Look out the window to see if pigs are flying! Jason and I agree on something! :o

Drawscore
User avatar
jackroper
Forum Contributer
Forum Contributer
Posts: 80
Joined: 6 years ago
Location: Hawaii

Post by jackroper »

Glad I could bring you guys together.
User avatar
Jason Toddman
Honorary Member
Honorary Member
Posts: 609
Joined: 6 years ago
Location: Portland Maine USA

Post by Jason Toddman »

drawscore wrote: 6 years ago [quote="Jason Toddman" I'd say that pretty well sums it up for me as well.
Quick! Look out the window to see if pigs are flying! Jason and I agree on something! :o

Drawscore
[/quote]

Actually, as long as politics are not involved, we usually are in reasonable agreement. It's when politics get into the mix that the s**t starts to fly rather than the pigs.
drawscore
Centennial Club
Centennial Club
Posts: 651
Joined: 6 years ago

Post by drawscore »

Jason Toddman wrote: 6 years ago
drawscore wrote: 6 years ago [quote="Jason Toddman" I'd say that pretty well sums it up for me as well.
Quick! Look out the window to see if pigs are flying! Jason and I agree on something! :o

Drawscore
Actually, as long as politics are not involved, we usually are in reasonable agreement. It's when politics get into the mix that the s**t starts to fly rather than the pigs.
[/quote]

I'll drink to that. In fact, I'll drink to just about anything.

Drawscore
User avatar
Amm1973es
Centennial Club
Centennial Club
Posts: 239
Joined: 5 years ago
Location: Spain

Post by Amm1973es »

In the end we are attracted to the bdsm with its multiple fetishes or simply the bondage or shibari, it is something of our sexuality and little or nothing should matter to the rest of society, politicians, or feminist organizations.
Everyone is free to feel sexuality in their own way and if they find a partner that shares the same or similar tastes enjoy it.
I am a man with the role of Rope top/Rigger, I have been attacked by the Tugs since I was a child. Both without sexual components, and with them within my limits.
User avatar
damsel
Centennial Club
Centennial Club
Posts: 153
Joined: 6 years ago

Post by damsel »

Well, if you didn't consent, then you've been assaulted....and if the bondage included getting touched, sexually, without consent, then you've been sexually assaulted. So, someone's going to jail.
User avatar
Amm1973es
Centennial Club
Centennial Club
Posts: 239
Joined: 5 years ago
Location: Spain

Post by Amm1973es »

An assault or assault and if it has a sexual component will always be an aggravating factor of crime, is what governments with their laws should pursue and avoid as much as possible.
Another very different thing is "wanting to get into your bed" and tell you to think about everything, with the excuse of seeking that security for the citizen.
That is why laws that favor a collective only pretending to defend it, ends up being an oppressor for the rest of the collectives.
I am a man with the role of Rope top/Rigger, I have been attacked by the Tugs since I was a child. Both without sexual components, and with them within my limits.
Post Reply Previous topicNext topic