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@kdu2 wow it’s crazy that you ended up stumbling upon this thread! I really enjoyed Clueless and Chainmail so it’s really cool hearing some behind the scenes facts! I was just wondering, how many girls did you end up tying up for these videos? Did any of them question why all these films involved some kind of bondage?

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Wow! Yes, mind blown. But why did you stop producing these?

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Awesome! Unfortunately, I think Clueless has been removed from YouTube. Is there anywhere else to find it?

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The video at the start of this thread sounds like an old Harmony Concepts video called something like The Rope Salesman.

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@DTBound

Yah, I was looking for this video too! Haha. I lost a lot of this material when I switched laptops, so all that was left was what I had uploaded to Dailymotion. I have obviously found Chainmail a couple of times, but Clueless has basically vanished forever it seems.

I think from back to front, I have made 7 videos, involving 8 different girls. And because this was spread over such a long time and even different cities, I don't think any of them are that aware 😂.

TBH, I think the actress in Clueless had pretty much figured out what kind of thing she had gotten roped into ;) I made a point of telling everyone what was going to go down ahead of time, so if they weren't into it they were under no real pressure. Also, because nothing happened that was too mature, and the story was always at the center, it comes across as fetish fuel at best. I pride myself on not making anything that is just someone umphing on the floor for 10 minutes.

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Partly time, partly a concern that my fetish was getting in the way of having real romantic relationships. I'm married now, so I guess that has gone out the window, but I still feel the time constraint. It's really the only thing I've ever done that I've been able to just walk away from for years, which I think works for certain people. My output is super small, but I've always felt like the end result was an original enough take on the idea. I'm not sure that would have been the case had I churned them out. In the end, I always yo yo between feeling bad for doing this, and feeling more into it. You all have made me feel better about it than I have in years!

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Not that I'm aware of. Hence how I stumbled upon this thread haha. It could well be up somewhere but under a weird name (how many vids are on VK as "No Title" in Russian 😂

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@kdu2 wow! I can’t believe you found this thread! Someone did post the original Clueless here before but now it seems to be gone forever. Hopefully it resurfaces. Seriously though, when I was first getting into watching DID clips online, that was one of the first videos I saw haha.

Hopefully you can find it, and maybe some of the others you made that were lost to time!

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Hey justaguy (great name!),

Thanks for the kind words. I too would love it if it resurfaced, but I haven't been able to find it for years. I'm glad that you have fond memories, at least. I hope you'll share what you personally enjoyed about the video, as I love hearing that kind of reflection.

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kdu2 wrote:
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Hey justaguy (great name!),

Thanks for the kind words. I too would love it if it resurfaced, but I haven't been able to find it for years. I'm glad that you have fond memories, at least. I hope you'll share what you personally enjoyed about the video, as I love hearing that kind of reflection.
Didn't @CrazyAsianGuy say he had a copy of Clueless that he was PMing to people? I know it's been a while, but he's still active as of 2 weeks ago.

It's crazy that you ended up finding this thread. I had a similar experience when one of my old stories was recovered from the old site as it was one of someone's favorites. It was a humbling experience to say the least, especially for someone much older now who is hopefully pursuing a career in screenwriting.

It also sucks that you lost all those videos when you changed laptops! Man, what a treasure trove that could have been. But nothing you can do about it now I guess. Hopefully you enjoyed making and watching them while you had them ;) .

Maybe just maybe we can find another one or two, but great video nonetheless. Thank you!

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Eh, not sure it was really much of a "treasure trove", but definitely an assortment! There is another that I've been able to find. Maybe I will post that if I get around to it.

And I am almost certainly going to do a new video, so I'll put that up when it's ready. Merry Xmas gang :)

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“Link removed by moderator for violating site rules (visual media section).”

Here you go gang. Would love to hear your thoughts!

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I understand your reasons for not wanting to make many more of these videos. I had some fun in the past with taking photos but not making videos, but that was a long time ago. I also haven't been lucky in the past decade or so anyway.

What other scenarios did you create besides these two, btw? And how did you convince women to act in those videos?

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kdu2 wrote:
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So this is going to blow some minds.

I am the author of those videos, both Clueless and Revenge of the Chain Mail (or something like that). I'm amazed at the detective work employed to match up those two videos--yes, we were all Pitt college students at the time, and these date from 2011 when I lived in that particular apartment-style complex.

I am so glad you enjoyed these! As you can probably tell, I personally have a sort of "light bondage" approach in my storytelling. I like to tell humorous stories, that also just so happen to have gals getting tied up ;) I have actually made several others, which I think have slipped into the mists of time (probably a good thing in terms of their quality), but each one was unique and tried to do something different. These are undoubtedly two of my favorites, maybe because the stories are so bonkers.

Some things about Clueless:

--the girl (obviously not going to say her name) is actually crazy smart. Like, Ivy League 4.0 GPA smart. So the fact that she plays a ditz so well is really funny. She nails it.
--My bondage sucks. It just does. I filmed most of these before I spent any time being able to tie good knots (I can now!), so I get that complaint. Fully own up to that.
--It's really interesting to get feedback on what people like/don't like subjectively. More tape/less tape, what kind of gag etc. We know there are infinite likes there, so I don't take anything there personally. In fact, I really enjoy reading alternative ideas.
--The expansion of the story--thanks Tamatoa--is brilliant in places. I think the three-legged race part is my favorite (I would never have thought of that justification in a million years). And yeah, the thief's internal commentary is great.
--the ending was improvised. Because she got out so easily (like, more easily than I wanted) but there was still rope on her when she stood up, I had the idea of having her run after the dude while she's still pulling rope off (a common trick in shows where they don't actually show the person fully bound, just emerging from the closet or whatever). While the "I forgot to pay you for this" part was actually filmed first, the part when she is walking through the apartment is improvised.
--the banter between us while she's being bound was also improvised. While it's fine, I probably would have wanted to script it more. I think that part goes on a bit long, much as I like tying girls up hehe

Revenge of the Chain Mail (or Evil Duct Tape)
--somewhat inspired by the film 'Rubber' about a psychotic tire. Check it out sometime.
--the idea was for "name redacted" to get progressively more taped up. Each time she tried to escape, the tape wrapped her up more and more, until eventually she couldn't really move much (I think this comes across pretty well)
--why a cleave gag? She didn't want tape on her mouth, which I guess is understandable.
--At one point, the camera ran out of juice. So we had to stop and charge it back up. As a courtesy I didn't want to leave her like that, so I cut the tape and simply reapplied it when we went back to shooting, hence why you can spot a difference between the first few moments and the rest of that segment.
--I am the 911 operator XD Also, this bit is totally stolen from a McMillan and Wife scene where Wife (sue me, don't feel like Googling her name) is tied to a chair, hobbles over to a telephone (rotary, no less) and dials for help. It's comically a useless endeavor...
--at one point you can see the box cutter I used to cut her tape. Whoopsies for continuity.
--Although kidnapping someone is no bueno, the evil magic tape is basically just a troll. Nothing he's doing once he has her is terribly evil. More so annoying
--at the end, I ultimately wanted an effect where the time reversed, but that was beyond both my editing prowess and my laziness!

I think that's it for behind the scenes stuff.

Really means a lot that you found the stories and scenarios enjoyable! This is a huge walk down memory lane, and as someone who thought nobody really watched or reacted to these, I think it's kind of cool!

Part of me is always wanting to put this stuff behind me, but at the same time, I have so many ideas. In fact, I filmed one with myself and a lady guitarist getting tied up at a rehearsal by a neighbor who hated the sound of our practice, and I have similar ideas that occupy the same kind of cute, lighthearted fetish material. Hearing these reactions might actually inspire me to do more of that stuff, but we'll see.

In any event, I am glad you liked these vids and the stories based off of them. I hope you'll ask me questions and otherwise chat :)

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I really thought your work was great and can see a solid market for this sort of stuff. I find myself turned off by the aggressive nature of so much scripted bondage. I may reach out to you at some point, I'm trying to do something similar.
Hello everyone! 30, m, from Michigan, enjoys tying up girls and guys, always down to chat!

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Post by kdu2 »

@yatta,

I sent you a PM with one of the scenarios, so that's more of a show than a tell.

I don't want to overshare, since I might "novelize" them here for fun. But one was done for a contest, with a girl tied up so someone (or something, hehehe) could play with her game boy. Another involved a duo of ladies being tied up a robber, involving lots of gag talk.

In terms of "convincing", I guess I pick people carefully. Since it isn't overtly pornographic--more like fetish fuel, at worst--it comes across as goofy or campy, so most had no qualms. To be fair, I had plenty of folks turn me down too. In general, I have found people excited to help me.

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Awww thanks!! <3 PM me anytime. I agree that there's room for 2 things: 1) concepts that are interesting, and B-not abusive. I don't personally like violation. Cause, you know, it's wrong. But a bad guy tying up the heroine? Totally in service to the plot. And it's a bit tropey, but what if you had a movie (for example) that was just the unfortunate uniform swap person tied up? Granted, not exciting, but it could be played for some laughs.

Ultimately, I think part of the fun is the situation. I think this particular corner of fetishdom works best when there is this campy element to it. I love the thrill of the situation getting more dramatic (that is, more ropey/tapey), and when that's done well, I think it's better than someone writhing around or flatly whining for a half hour.

Art is subjective yadda yadda. Thanks for hearing me out.

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I agree very much that part of the fun is in the situation! If it's just "here is someone tied up", it doesn't really feel like anything is going on. It's far better to watch when it feels like a story, like something is happening for a reason.

I wish there were more videos out there about that sort of thing. A story, not just tie up escape challenges and such.

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Post by Justaguy »

@kdu2

Hey your video was removed, could you maybe PM it to me?

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